Implementing a Digital Zettelkasten Using Block References in Roam Research

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"0.32: no it's just like really nice um finally"
"3.36: getting to"
"4.08: you know talk one-on-one uh and"
"7.52: see how you use rome yeah"
"10.559: yeah you know i'm actually grateful to"
"12.48: have this opportunity"
"13.759: um i'm just glad that when i reached out"
"15.839: to you it was like"
"16.88: uh we were able to make this time and"
"18.96: yeah i mean i don't know"
"20.24: i think that i think that these things"
"23.039: can"
"23.68: that that rome can get really conceptual"
"26.32: i guess"
"26.96: uh really fast yes"
"30: yes people we're going to talk about"
"31.84: that okay cool"
"33.6: and and for a lot of people that are"
"35.2: like newer i guess"
"37.44: to rome you know who don't really like"
"40.239: understand"
"41.04: kind of what a linked reference means or"
"43.84: what a block reference"
"45.039: means you know it's like it can just be"
"47.52: kind of hard to understand without"
"49.36: really just"
"50.559: taking a look um so i do i do these"
"53.84: tours"
"54.559: one because like i or i upload"
"58: the tours because i think it's helpful"
"59.92: for people to take a look"
"63.28: especially when they're learning but"
"64.879: like when but i do these tours really"
"67.28: just because i like"
"68.24: meeting people in the rome community uh"
"70.84: who uh are using it"
"73.04: uh this incredibly powerful and uh"
"76.24: versatile tool you know in really"
"79.759: interesting ways so i i think it's"
"82.56: interesting that you say tool"
"83.92: because that to me is not a noun it's a"
"87.36: verb"
"88.159: and it's an action it's like to drive a"
"90.479: vehicle you know it's the"
"91.84: cool aspect that i really focus on above"
"93.759: all else and you also mentioned you know"
"96.28: conceptualization and i think"
"98.72: conceptualization is"
"100.159: is awesome you know what i mean because"
"102.24: it takes that sort of"
"104.079: people need to conceptualize in order to"
"105.92: sort of wrap their head around it but"
"107.6: i i value actualization"
"110.799: more and um you know there's three"
"114.32: different phases in the zytokas and"
"115.6: there's a fleeting note phase there's a"
"117.119: literature note phase and then there's"
"118.479: an"
"118.719: actual permanent node phase right and"
"120.719: people have sort of"
"122.399: used this analogy um of seedlings"
"126.96: budding notes and and evergreen notes"
"129.28: and and"
"130.16: and i think it's it's powerful right and"
"132.48: i think that that is a great way to"
"134.879: sort of as a metaphor see that"
"137.599: relationship between each one of these"
"138.959: faces but"
"139.76: what i realized is that it inherently"
"143.44: adds"
"143.92: meaning to the zettocastin that makes it"
"146.319: harder for people and"
"147.52: what i mean by that is uh uh it adds"
"150.48: this dimension of time"
"152.4: you know because when you think about a"
"153.519: seedling it takes time to grow into a"
"155.28: budding note it takes time to grow into"
"156.8: an evergreen note"
"158: and this idea of time is"
"161.76: it makes things harder right and and"
"165.04: i'll explain"
"165.76: as we go through this whole process but"
"167.36: and so i was i wrestled with this idea"
"169.84: for for weeks and then i"
"171.28: i was thinking about what's a better way"
"173.76: of saying this"
"175.2: and for me the three different phases"
"178.56: that we go through when"
"179.68: creating a permanent note uh in order to"
"181.92: sort of have this conversation partner"
"184.4: i started thinking about it differently"
"185.68: i was like well what if we related this"
"187.12: to the"
"187.84: three states of matter right so you have"
"190.48: gas"
"191.519: you have liquid and you have solid right"
"195.519: and it relates very well because i think"
"197.28: about gas and what is gas"
"199.12: gas is just fast moving particles it's"
"201.28: like fast moving thoughts"
"203.12: right and yeah what happens you know"
"205.28: it's fast moving thoughts and it's like"
"206.799: what happens if we start slowing down"
"208.48: these fast moving thoughts you're"
"209.68: slowing down these fast moving particles"
"211.84: what happens it starts"
"214: becoming liquid right and you'll skip"
"216.159: this precipitation and it'll start"
"217.68: dripping it'll start dripping"
"218.959: and so you're taking these fast-moving"
"220.56: thoughts and you're sort of slowing"
"222.239: these thoughts down into a liquid but"
"224.239: a liquid with no sort of container is"
"226.4: just a puddle on the ground"
"228.159: and then i started thinking about it's"
"229.28: like well what is what is the reference"
"231.12: notes what is the bibliography what is"
"232.64: the sort of evidence right"
"234.159: and if that could be the container to"
"236.08: capture this liquid"
"237.599: of these slowing down the thoughts the"
"240.48: literature notes are contained"
"242.56: in the reference notes or they're"
"244.4: contained in the bibliography or the"
"245.84: evidence right"
"246.799: and so now you have this container"
"248.799: filled with this liquid of"
"250.72: thoughts that have been slowed down and"
"252.48: then you can start crystallizing it into"
"254.959: a solid state"
"256.72: in the permanent note phase and and i"
"258.799: like this way of looking at it because"
"260.479: then it takes"
"261.68: because we don't want a conversation"
"262.88: with the fleeting notes we don't want a"
"264.72: conversation with the literature notes"
"266.4: because fleeting notes is just fast"
"268: moving thoughts it's just fast resonated"
"270.16: ideas and then literature notes is just"
"272.8: sort of what you've"
"273.919: abstracted or inferred from what the"
"275.84: author is saying what you want is"
"277.6: you want the conversation to happen at"
"278.88: the permanent note phase and so it's"
"280.56: like"
"280.96: if you can slam those three phases"
"284.639: as as tight as we can in regards to time"
"287.759: what happens is"
"288.72: then we start focusing on what the"
"290.96: importance of a zettle casting is and"
"292.639: that's actually the permanent note"
"293.919: conversation"
"295.04: and so again i have to lay this"
"298.24: groundwork down just so we can get"
"299.759: into the sort of zettle casting idea"
"302.32: right because there's a lot of concepts"
"303.84: that have to sort of"
"305.12: click right and the next thing is going"
"306.88: to be sort of this conversation partner"
"308.96: right"
"309.52: and we'll get into all that what are you"
"311.52: thinking you're about to say you're"
"312.8: right you have a question"
"313.6: well well i want to maybe like jump back"
"316.24: for"
"316.8: a second you know and and just just to"
"319.52: slow this down a little bit"
"321.039: uh so going back one of the things you"
"323.28: mentioned is"
"324.24: that uh there is a"
"327.6: problem with analogies that people use"
"329.759: you know like the the different"
"331.039: analogies people use to describe the"
"332.96: different phases"
"334.4: of a thought in a zettle casting is"
"337.6: going to have different implications for"
"339.759: what you do with them"
"341.039: right so you know if you're thinking"
"342.96: about it as"
"344.4: fleeting and permanent you know like"
"346.32: permanent for example"
"347.6: implies this is fixed and it's never"
"350.16: changing"
"351.28: you know um and and and then seedling"
"354.479: budding evergreen notes that has a"
"356.24: dimension of time"
"358.08: um and and you are talking about gas"
"361.52: versus liquid and solid in in"
"365.44: in that the solid notes that's what you"
"368.24: want to have to manipulate"
"370: you know like that's what you want to"
"371.84: use maybe to"
"373.759: make it so your conversations are more"
"375.52: focused so like if someone has"
"378: uh thousands of gaseous"
"382: thoughts you know like then it's kind of"
"384.72: hard to"
"385.28: make sense of all that because a lot of"
"386.8: that's probably crap anyway"
"388.72: you know so it's like you want to do it"
"390.319: you want to work with your solid"
"392.4: thoughts"
"393.12: right so am i gathering all that"
"394.8: correctly"
"396.4: yes and and it's it's that idea that"
"399.12: when you have solid thoughts that are"
"400.639: backed by evidence"
"402.16: from multiple levels of abstraction then"
"404.4: what happens is the conversation is now"
"406.88: a very well informed"
"409.919: conversation partner it's very it's it's"
"412.16: a straw it's a strong man or iron man"
"414.56: conversation partner and then it's also"
"416.56: not just focused on one topic"
"418.4: but it's varied topics of interest and"
"421.28: so then when you have a"
"422.479: a sort of dialogue with this"
"423.759: conversation partner you're having the"
"425.599: strongest"
"426.319: diet like you want someone that can"
"428.4: argue as best as you can"
"430.8: right and that that's what we're looking"
"432.4: for in a dental cast then we want this"
"434.84: conversation dialogue partner"
"437.759: to have that sort of relationship with"
"439.919: where you know"
"441.199: no one can our out can out argue us you"
"443.759: know but if we write it in our own words"
"445.919: and if we crystallize these thoughts"
"448.24: with evidence abstracting it multiple"
"450.8: times and what happens is then the"
"452.16: dialogue that happens at the permanent"
"453.919: note phase"
"454.72: or the solid phase what happens is then"
"457.599: you're able to actually converse with"
"459.28: this and trust in this because it's"
"461.759: it's informed it's evidence-based and"
"463.599: it's abstracted from your own words"
"465.919: and we'll get into all that okay yeah so"
"468.639: for me to see a"
"469.599: visual i'd really love to see a visual"
"471.919: of this"
"472.8: you know because i want to see how these"
"475.599: ideas kind of like go through their"
"478.16: different phases"
"479.44: you know or if there even is like a"
"481.36: fluid pipeline between all these phases"
"484: you know um because i think that's"
"486.72: really where"
"487.36: where i think a lot of people would uh"
"489.28: benefit a lot"
"491.199: let me go ahead and share my screen real"
"492.639: quick great"
"494.24: so um i just want to start off by saying"
"496.16: it you know for me it's it's all about"
"497.919: simplicity so"
"499.199: it's i want to be able to hide the"
"500.56: complexity behind this so i'm going to"
"502.16: have"
"502.4: i'm just going to start with a time"
"503.52: stamp and i'm gonna make a child block"
"506.4: underneath"
"507.039: right and then i'll just zoom into that"
"509.039: by clicking onto the bullet point and"
"510.319: now it's i'm just gonna start with this"
"511.919: idea of fleeting notes right"
"513.76: when you think about a fleeting node"
"515.039: it's you're reading a block of text"
"517.279: right and say i'm reading a block of"
"520.32: text and"
"520.959: what i want to do is i want to sort of"
"525.04: abstract out what what is resonating"
"528.72: with me"
"529.36: right because this is these are the sort"
"531.04: of fast moving thoughts"
"532.64: right so i'm just going to go and start"
"533.92: off with let's say fleeting notes right"
"536.88: and then i'm going to make a child block"
"538.24: children block underneath and i've"
"540.24: already done the work here so i'm just"
"541.6: going to go and copy and paste it here"
"543.68: but this is going to give you an idea"
"547.279: what were you gonna say no i i was just"
"549.92: saying okay"
"551.12: keep going and so basically this is"
"553.76: gonna give you an idea of sort of the"
"555.2: thoughts that i've abstracted"
"556.8: right and as i'm reading a block of text"
"558.8: i'll show you the source material in a"
"560.32: minute but"
"560.88: as i'm reading this block of text these"
"562.399: are just sort of the ideas not"
"564: necessarily"
"564.8: what the text is about but these are all"
"566.8: the sort of ideas that resonated with me"
"569.12: it's all the things that sort of oh this"
"571.279: reminds me of this this is like when"
"572.88: you're having a conversation with"
"573.839: somebody and you're able to sort of pop"
"575.68: from one conversation to the next it's"
"577.6: like"
"578.72: that's what this first sort of phase is"
"581.44: it's sort of"
"582.56: gathering all these fast-moving ideas"
"585.12: right"
"585.6: and so this is the sort of first level"
"587.36: of abstraction it's sort of just writing"
"588.959: this out and the power"
"590: of rome is that with one click i can"
"592.48: hide that entire"
"593.76: wall of text right and the reason that"
"597.519: this is so this is the sort of first"
"599.519: pass that i do"
"600.8: right and then as i scroll through here"
"602.8: and then what i do is i actually"
"604.64: go back here and i abstract even more so"
"607.6: i'll write more text here i'm just gonna"
"609.2: go and show you what that looks like"
"611.92: and this is important because we have to"
"616.839: remember uh"
"618.88: let me find out where all the text is"
"621.92: copy this i'm just going to delete all"
"623.6: this"
"627.2: and then i'm going to go and paste the"
"628.64: new sort of thing so what i'm doing now"
"630.399: is i'm sort of going"
"631.68: into depth uh i'm going it i'm going"
"635.6: even more in depth on what i've"
"637.76: abstracted so i'm sort of adding these"
"639.92: i'm really bringing out everything that"
"641.68: i can about all the different ideas that"
"643.68: have sort of"
"644.56: um sort of resonated with me and and the"
"647.44: purpose of this is because this is going"
"648.959: to inform"
"650.079: how i abstract what the author is saying"
"653.12: right so i keep going down i keep going"
"654.72: down these are just all my notes and i"
"656.24: just keep writing and i keep writing"
"657.92: and again um i need like i have to say"
"661.04: it it's like even with this very"
"662.399: streamlined workflow it takes me"
"664.16: anywhere between"
"665.44: 15 to 45 minutes to actually complete"
"668.399: from"
"668.959: from fleeting note phase to permanent"
"670.72: node phase and like have it"
"672.399: as a permanent note in the zettle cast"
"675.839: and it's important to remember that"
"677.12: because this is this is the work"
"679.6: and so once i've abstracted everything"
"681.279: that i can what yeah i think that's"
"682.959: something that's"
"684: that's really important that a lot of"
"685.44: people uh"
"687.44: struggle to recognize a little bit is"
"690.16: that"
"690.64: you know like going through and like"
"693.279: really"
"693.839: taking notes or like really writing out"
"696.48: your own"
"697.36: thoughts and your own ideas like that's"
"700.32: part of"
"700.88: the work of knowledge work like what"
"703.519: like you"
"704.079: you've got to ask yourself what's your"
"705.6: process for"
"707.12: coming up with ideas what's your process"
"709.519: for"
"710.16: picking out which ones are the best ones"
"712.16: what's your process"
"713.279: for uh developing the promising ones"
"717.04: into something that's truly special you"
"719.6: know like uh"
"721.279: like these are all things that take time"
"723.279: they take effort you know but"
"724.8: but if you really want to um improve"
"728: your understanding of your"
"729.44: of the world and your efficacy and"
"732.16: interacting with it through your"
"733.76: knowledge"
"734.56: then this is what you do you're"
"737.519: absolutely right"
"738.88: now just imagine i don't"
"742.24: i'm gonna add a little foreshadowing"
"744.56: here but imagine"
"746.639: if you could have all of this available"
"749.76: with one click and we'll get into that"
"752.16: but let me continue"
"753.36: so basically what you have here now is"
"755.04: this big wall of text"
"756.639: right and this big wall of text is sort"
"758.399: of open and closed with one bullet point"
"760.16: again the power of rome is that"
"761.839: the granularity happens at the block"
"763.519: level not the page level traditionally"
"765.12: this would all fit inside of a page"
"766.959: right and so now what i'm going to do is"
"768.399: i'm actually going to go here and i'm"
"769.68: actually going to summarize"
"771.68: that entire wall of text so what i'm"
"773.44: going to do is i'm going to add"
"774.959: a sort of low resolution thumbnail"
"778.32: of this big block of text right and the"
"781.519: purpose of that is so i if i if i don't"
"783.92: want to see all that text i can just"
"786.399: open and close it"
"787.519: if need be but i have a low resolution"
"789.68: thumbnail"
"790.8: summarizing what that block of text is"
"792.959: if i need to go in there to get a little"
"794.72: bit more context"
"796.24: oh i do the same thing i do the same"
"798.48: thing with my meeting notes"
"800.32: you know like um my top level bullet for"
"804.079: every meeting it says"
"805.68: uh it's a page reference to meeting"
"807.279: notes and it's a page reference to the"
"808.959: person's name"
"809.92: who i'm interacting with and then it's"
"812.48: just a description of what we talked"
"814.88: about in the meeting that's the top"
"816.399: level bullet for"
"817.519: everything underneath it has all the"
"819.519: specific details"
"821.04: but you got to give yourself those clues"
"823.6: yeah"
"824.24: yeah on on the block level here at the"
"826.48: parent block level and that's the sort"
"828.24: of"
"828.72: and i've added these little css so"
"830.8: here's the thing i i"
"831.839: prefer vanilla just because through"
"834.72: these coaching sessions i realized that"
"836.32: if you have a themes that are too"
"838.8: outrageous what happens it sort of takes"
"840.56: away like what am i where am i"
"842.32: so i have vanilla rome with sprinkles of"
"845.279: css"
"846.56: and we'll get into all that so basically"
"848.56: again you have it on the block level"
"850.24: just like you were saying the summary"
"851.68: and"
"852: all this big wall of text that's"
"853.6: collapsible and expandable with one"
"855.279: click right"
"856.079: so now i'm going to go up here i'm going"
"857.199: to go and add another block above this"
"859.6: right"
"860.48: and then this is going to be the sort of"
"861.76: literature notes and then this is the"
"863.199: same thing i'm going to have children"
"864.32: block"
"864.72: underneath but this is really where the"
"867.36: power of rome shines"
"868.56: because when you think about a"
"869.279: literature note in these fleeting notes"
"870.8: right you have to remember that when"
"872.48: lumens started"
"873.36: developing this zebel cast and you know"
"876.24: this is in the 1950s"
"878.079: you know yeah so 1950s"
"882.8: so uh we have to remember that in the"
"885.6: 50s"
"886.24: 1950s when lumens sort of developed you"
"888.56: know started practicing this sort of"
"890.079: zettle casting"
"891.68: he could read an article in the morning"
"894.16: and wrestle with that idea"
"895.839: throughout the day right without"
"897.76: distractions without notifications"
"899.68: without mail and emails and"
"901.92: facebook and instagram and twitter and"
"904.24: so he actually had the time to"
"906.24: wrestle and abstract out these ideas so"
"908.88: he could get away with saying"
"910.56: two words for his fleeting notes right"
"913.279: because he was wrestling with the ideas"
"914.72: anyway so at the end of the night when"
"916.079: he was processing"
"917.199: these into sort of literature notes and"
"918.959: permanent notes it's"
"920.48: he already did the work he already did"
"922.32: the abstracting and so"
"923.92: what we're doing is i don't want to i"
"925.92: don't want to live off the grid"
"927.6: right but i still want to be able to"
"928.8: abstract and following this sort of"
"930.88: process"
"931.44: you you can abstract just like you would"
"934.88: is if you spent all day abstracting it"
"937.04: in in your head in your mind you know"
"938.959: thinking about it thinking about it and"
"940.48: thinking about it and so this is where"
"942.56: it's sort of"
"943.6: because everything's at the block level"
"945.199: you can collapse that and so now we're"
"946.959: going to go into the literature notes"
"948: and just"
"948.8: with that same idea right and by the way"
"952.16: there is a source material that i'm"
"953.519: reading off"
"954: of here it's not that i'm just making"
"955.199: this up you know what can i before we"
"957.279: move on to"
"958.079: the literature notes i'd like to ask so"
"960.8: one thing i'm noticing"
"962.48: is you have very few page references"
"966.639: in there besides like just to fleeting"
"969.199: notes to literature notes"
"971.279: you know and um yeah so i'm just curious"
"974.399: about that because like"
"975.759: at least in my own workflow you know"
"978.56: like my equivalent to"
"980.399: fleeting notes i have thousands of them"
"983.92: you know so like i personally so i"
"986.959: personally like being able to"
"988.639: uh compress it down filter it down you"
"991.44: know in the linked references so i'm"
"993.04: just kind of like curious about that"
"995.04: um something like this right where you"
"997.199: have like"
"998.8: yeah or i guess the question that i have"
"1002.56: is that you know like do you do any"
"1005.04: topic level"
"1006.24: uh sorting and filtering or"
"1007.839: alternatively is this more of like a"
"1010.16: stages of development pipeline that you"
"1012.88: use"
"1013.199: page references for the question that i"
"1016.8: i'd like to ask is you know do you want"
"1019.12: to have a conversation with these"
"1021.04: fleeting notes that don't have evidence"
"1023.199: to sort of support it"
"1024.4: that haven't been crystallized through"
"1025.919: actually abstracting and really bringing"
"1028.079: out"
"1028.559: these ideas completely into a"
"1030.319: crystallized sort of declarative"
"1032.319: statement"
"1033.6: or do you want to have it these"
"1035.199: conversations with these fast-moving"
"1036.559: thoughts that are interconnected with"
"1037.679: all these"
"1038.079: different ideas and it's there we're"
"1040.64: going to get into the sort of"
"1041.919: referencing and how to actually"
"1043.52: find these ideas and how to sort of"
"1045.679: retrieve it"
"1046.88: but this entire process is just it's a"
"1050.16: frictionless way"
"1051.44: of abstracting out what something means"
"1054.08: to you"
"1055.039: now if you want to go back to this yeah"
"1056.799: you can easily sort of block"
"1058.08: reference or page page or hashtag but"
"1062.08: the question is why you know because"
"1065.44: we're gonna we're gonna get to this but"
"1067.919: can i continue"
"1069.039: yeah absolutely okay so"
"1072.4: so basically i i'm reading a source and"
"1074.48: then basically or let me just"
"1076.08: let me just summarize what your"
"1077.52: perspective was just so the"
"1079.44: i so the audience can get it there i"
"1081.76: think a little better so i think what"
"1083.039: you're saying is essentially you don't"
"1084.72: use"
"1085.12: all too many page references and stuff"
"1087.12: for topic sorting while it's in the"
"1088.72: fleeting note phase"
"1090.16: because those thoughts are way too"
"1093.919: small and you haven't yet determined"
"1096.32: what's significant yet so you don't want"
"1098.32: to"
"1098.64: like uh clutter up your thinking space"
"1101.44: when you're actually trying to think"
"1102.88: through something you're more just using"
"1104.32: your permanent notes then"
"1106.559: exactly and it's all about workflow as"
"1108.64: well it's it's"
"1110.08: it's at what level of analysis do i want"
"1112.559: to have my conversation and actual"
"1114.559: thinking to happen"
"1115.679: is it going to be at the lower levels of"
"1117.28: fleeting and literature notes or is it"
"1118.559: going to be at the higher levels of"
"1120.16: crystallized thought that are sort of"
"1122.24: declarative and clear"
"1124.72: how's my audio by the way is it it's"
"1126.799: sounding great right now"
"1128.08: yeah okay awesome so i'm gonna go ahead"
"1129.919: and paste in these literature notes"
"1131.84: here as well right and"
"1135.2: power of rome is that with this i can"
"1138: open and close this"
"1139.6: with one click right it's all"
"1141.52: collapsible so these"
"1142.96: so traditionally a literature note would"
"1144.799: be sort of a one"
"1146.08: phrase or one sentence or one or two"
"1148.16: sentences to describe you know"
"1150.4: through this litmus test of seeing how"
"1152.559: well you understand what the author is"
"1154.32: saying"
"1155.039: so with rome you can actually"
"1159.2: write really get drill down into what"
"1162.24: the author"
"1162.96: is saying in this sort of paragraph or"
"1165.36: or or sentence that you're pulling from"
"1167.679: right and so that's like the first level"
"1169.76: of analysis of"
"1170.96: in regards to the literature note but"
"1172.72: then it's the same thing like you were"
"1174.799: talking about earlier"
"1175.919: right it's this idea of"
"1179.039: on the block level here we want a low"
"1181.36: resolution thumbnail of what's"
"1183.12: underneath"
"1185.039: right and so now i have this sort of"
"1187.84: thumbnail"
"1188.96: i have two thumbnails that if i need to"
"1191.039: get to this information"
"1192.72: open the wall next and i'll help there"
"1195.52: and then anything with the fleeting"
"1197.039: notes"
"1198.559: you were basically saying that like"
"1200.4: you're giving yourself these thumbnails"
"1202.08: so that way"
"1203.039: like even though you have a lot of"
"1205.84: content"
"1206.64: indented underneath uh both of those"
"1210.08: top level bullets i guess you're able to"
"1213.76: very quickly just get a sense for what"
"1215.919: it was about"
"1216.799: you know so you're not spending the time"
"1218.64: reading through everything you're"
"1220.799: just focusing on what's important and"
"1222.64: then if it if"
"1223.919: like the literature note seems important"
"1226: then you can just"
"1226.96: uncollapse it you know but like you can"
"1228.96: make that choice"
"1230.08: in the moment and it also allows for"
"1233.039: that space to"
"1234.08: actually do the work in regards to"
"1237.12: um seeing what you really think about"
"1240.799: what you're reading you know uh it's"
"1242.96: about really taking that time to put in"
"1245.12: that effort"
"1245.919: and so now at the you have right now at"
"1248.88: the moment you have"
"1249.679: three different three different sort of"
"1252.32: parent blocks you have a"
"1253.52: reference notes block literature notes"
"1255.36: block then you have the fleeting notes"
"1256.64: block right"
"1257.44: and so reference note here so what i'm"
"1259.2: going to do is"
"1261.44: this is where i actually add the sort of"
"1263.36: source material right so let's say this"
"1265.039: is an article from"
"1267.6: let me go ahead and do this"
"1271.76: i'm going to hit command k and then i'll"
"1273.44: just write uh"
"1276.88: lumens card index right"
"1280.08: and then within the parentheses i'll"
"1281.52: i'll paste the actual link"
"1283.2: and so that way it's like if i need that"
"1286.08: information it's right there with a"
"1287.44: shift click"
"1288.72: and then underneath that's a child block"
"1291.6: this is where i"
"1292.559: add sort of"
"1298: the metadata so traditionally when you"
"1300.48: look at"
"1302.08: traditionally when you look at sort of"
"1303.6: people's assassins what they're doing is"
"1305.919: they're inherent sort of cocktailing"
"1308.24: what analog socks or anal castings"
"1311.679: and they're sort of okay so so you know"
"1315.28: when when we think about sort of zettle"
"1317.2: casting it's like there's this idea that"
"1320.32: you know we're going to duplicate an"
"1323.919: like a physical slit box in the digital"
"1325.919: realm and what happens is"
"1327.84: there's inherent limitations with that"
"1330: and so"
"1331.28: one of those things is traditionally all"
"1333.36: of this information would what it would"
"1335.44: end up"
"1336.24: sort of on a page but what i'm saying is"
"1339.679: that"
"1340.48: when you want to add metadata like"
"1342.48: author"
"1343.76: or recommended by"
"1347.919: you can have it all as children blocks"
"1349.679: underneath the reference note itself"
"1352.08: and so what it does is then if i go up"
"1353.919: here"
"1355.679: and then i go permanent notes this is"
"1358.72: the sort of structure that we're"
"1360: going for right underneath this parent"
"1363.2: block you have three children these are"
"1364.88: the sort of three legs of a tripod you"
"1366.48: have the fleeting notes"
"1367.76: the literature notes and your reference"
"1369.84: notes and so now your permanent note has"
"1371.76: something to sort of"
"1373.28: sit on top of right how's the audio by"
"1375.36: the way yeah it's sounding great"
"1379.12: perfect perfect just let me know"
"1382.4: this is where it gets really this is"
"1385.12: where it gets really interesting because"
"1387.12: now it's like when they talk about"
"1388.96: bottom-up structure"
"1390.48: right what you have is you have all this"
"1393.679: information"
"1394.88: that you've abstracted which is"
"1396.4: basically in the digital age in 2020"
"1399.6: where you're inundated with"
"1400.96: notifications and"
"1402.08: pings and distractions in a frictionless"
"1405.6: writing tool"
"1406.88: called rome research you can actually"
"1408.64: abstract out what you're really thinking"
"1410.4: about"
"1411.52: what resonated with you when you're"
"1412.72: reading some some text or watching a"
"1414.799: lecture or whatever that may be"
"1416.64: and then as you sort of bring up all"
"1418.48: these ideas"
"1420: now you're actually ready to make a"
"1421.2: permanent note here right and it's"
"1424.72: oh can i just get it real quick"
"1428.08: just to make sure i understand the"
"1429.52: difference between reference notes"
"1431.44: and literature notes is a literature"
"1434: note basically"
"1435.6: uh your notes from while you were"
"1437.679: reading the literature"
"1439.279: and a reference note is just like your"
"1442.159: metadata"
"1443.2: of"
"1446.32: exactly that's the sort of like"
"1447.6: reference note would be the evidence or"
"1449.039: the bibliography"
"1450.64: in other words the literature notes is"
"1452.48: the sort of litmus test to see how well"
"1454.24: you understand what the author is saying"
"1456.559: oh oh so it's like literally what what"
"1458.72: could you what could you reference for"
"1460.72: more"
"1461.2: information is your reference note"
"1464.48: exactly yeah okay yeah"
"1467.679: yeah and then again so it's like you"
"1469.76: have these three legs that support this"
"1471.52: permanent"
"1472: note and then from there it's easy to"
"1473.679: sort of write out this declarative"
"1476.159: statement in regards to"
"1480.4: what you're sort of abstracting and sort"
"1483.12: of pulling up from this bottom-up"
"1484.64: structure"
"1485.36: and now when you get to this point sort"
"1487.76: of you have your"
"1488.799: crystallized thought and we need to"
"1491.2: remember also like when you do a"
"1492.48: declarative statement you know"
"1493.919: you look at the the the root of that"
"1496.159: word and it's clare so it's clarity"
"1499.039: and so we want to have these clear"
"1501.44: statements"
"1503.279: from the text that we've abstracted from"
"1505.6: the fleeting notes that we've sort of"
"1507.039: slowed down and sort of"
"1508.72: abstracted out multiple times as well"
"1510.72: and then we get to this point here where"
"1512.159: it's like"
"1512.72: the permanent node is created yeah right"
"1515.919: and so"
"1520.32: it was interesting because i thought i"
"1521.44: was going to sort of like coach you"
"1523.039: through this"
"1523.919: because that way it would actually make"
"1525.279: sense you know what i mean but now that"
"1526.96: i'm doing it it's"
"1528.08: so much like i gotta explain it all um"
"1532: it's important to remember it's"
"1533.76: important to remember by the way"
"1535.36: that permanent notes or zettles or"
"1538.96: whatever you want to call it these"
"1540.24: crystallized thoughts these declarative"
"1541.76: statements"
"1542.64: don't actually happen like this"
"1546.32: so everything up to this point is"
"1547.679: actually incorrect"
"1549.36: because you actually don't create this"
"1551.36: permanent note"
"1553.279: except for the very first permanent note"
"1555.039: you create you actually don't do this"
"1557.76: so i'm going to delete it what you"
"1560.08: actually need"
"1560.799: need to do is"
"1563.84: shift click on permanent notes open that"
"1566: in the sidebar"
"1567.2: you actually have to refer back to your"
"1569.6: zettle casting"
"1571.2: in order to see the position of where"
"1573.52: this node is going to go"
"1575.36: and so there's so much complexity i need"
"1578.72: to explain that"
"1579.76: that it's at a broad with these broad"
"1583.039: strokes i feel like it's going to lose"
"1584.799: the the power and emphasis of this right"
"1587.44: so"
"1588.48: what i'm going to do is i need to find a"
"1590.08: place i need to find a position"
"1592.159: so i'm going to collapse this real quick"
"1594.159: so now i have one two three"
"1595.84: four five six seven eight nine different"
"1599.279: parent level blocks conversation that i"
"1601.76: have going right"
"1602.799: and i see the literature notes i see the"
"1604.559: fleeting notes here and i go where does"
"1606: this best fit"
"1606.96: and i'm gonna say zettle cast in here"
"1609.44: right and then i go okay where where"
"1610.96: does this"
"1611.76: best fit and then i go settle cast i"
"1613.919: think it's physical limitations"
"1615.84: right and then obviously i already wrote"
"1617.679: the permanent note here so"
"1618.96: what i'm going to do is"
"1622.159: i have to explain this part"
"1626: do because it's a fundamental aspect of"
"1629.039: zettle casting it's the idea of"
"1631.6: yeah this is where it's starting to get"
"1633.2: a little more fun for me"
"1634.72: i keep going okay"
"1638.32: hold on let me get my sweater off yeah"
"1640.559: let me take my sweater off hold on hold"
"1641.84: on"
"1642.399: okay okay because this this is this is"
"1644.88: where the magic happens"
"1646.32: right because fleeting notes literature"
"1648.72: notes"
"1649.36: reference notes all of those are just"
"1651.679: building blocks"
"1652.88: right really the magic happens at the"
"1655.76: settle level"
"1656.64: right and so let me put this microphone"
"1659.84: back"
"1660.159: on we can edit all this out right yeah"
"1662.48: sure"
"1663.2: so basically the settle cast and the"
"1665.44: cast in part"
"1666.64: is the claim itself right but you're"
"1669.12: talking about like how do you organize"
"1671.2: all of these claims within this general"
"1674.159: box"
"1674.72: of notes it's it's"
"1678.08: also looking at the problem"
"1681.36: in a different way you have a physical"
"1684.24: dental cast and what you do is you pick"
"1685.919: up this index card and you're like"
"1688.24: okay you pick up the index card behind"
"1690.399: it and you go okay"
"1692.08: but how do you know what's 10 cards"
"1694.559: behind that"
"1696.96: you know and so when lumen had this"
"1698.88: problem he was like well let's create an"
"1700.559: index or a keyword"
"1702.24: index of sorts and what that was doing"
"1704.799: was it was allowing you to sort of see"
"1706.559: past"
"1707.12: the cards that you can't physically see"
"1710.559: in a digital settle casting"
"1713.679: it's in the nesting you can actually see"
"1715.52: the notes that are next in the"
"1716.799: conversation so you have settle casting"
"1719.12: phases zettle casting dialogue"
"1720.96: autonomous settle casting"
"1722.799: physical limitations do you see what i'm"
"1725.12: saying and so you can actually see the"
"1727.279: cards that are behind it so"
"1729.44: the purpose of the index is different"
"1731.6: now the granularity changed from"
"1733.919: seeing where the branches go now the"
"1737.039: granularity happens at what the"
"1738.24: permanent node is"
"1740.08: this is a very interesting way of"
"1742.08: looking at it right"
"1743.44: and so now when i think about this"
"1745.2: hashtag that i'm about to create here"
"1748.08: right where where you place a note in"
"1750.399: the zettlecast in it"
"1751.76: is irrelevant"
"1754.799: because you could actually place this up"
"1756.72: here you could place it"
"1758.96: right here you can have you can place it"
"1762: anywhere but the question that you need"
"1763.6: to ask yourself is okay well"
"1765.039: where do i want to continue the"
"1766.24: conversation because that's going to"
"1768.159: show me"
"1769.039: from the continued conversation it's"
"1770.559: going to show me where the clusters are"
"1773.2: right and so now it's i i say it's going"
"1776: to live right here and so from here i"
"1778.24: create an"
"1778.799: index and basically what this is is this"
"1781.039: is now giving me a thumbnail low"
"1782.96: resolution"
"1785.52: idea of what this permanent node is"
"1787.52: going to be"
"1788.559: so it's the hashtag is not a way to"
"1790.72: categorize it it's not a way to sort of"
"1793.12: retrieve this idea again like it's"
"1795.12: typically used we're looking at it as"
"1797.039: the low resolution thumbnail of what the"
"1799.039: actual permanent node is so i'm just"
"1800.799: going to go"
"1802.96: analog solutions right"
"1806.84: um and then i'm gonna go"
"1810.08: now this is where i look back at my"
"1812.08: fleeting notes i look back on my"
"1813.76: literature notes i look back at the"
"1815.12: source material if i need it"
"1817.279: and i actually write my permanent note"
"1820.88: here in the zettle casting"
"1824.88: thematically connecting physical"
"1826.32: limitations with analog solutions"
"1829.12: and so basically what i do is i've"
"1830.88: already done the work here"
"1834.08: i make this into a page right so now i"
"1836.96: have analog solutions"
"1838.24: this is a low resolution low resolution"
"1840.64: thumbnail"
"1841.679: of this entire permanent node we're not"
"1843.919: using this as a way to categorize it"
"1845.6: we're not using it to"
"1846.64: retrieve it we're just using it as a"
"1848.32: thumbnail to show what's inside just"
"1850.08: like we were doing over here with these"
"1851.52: summaries"
"1853.36: so then i go back to my daily notes page"
"1855.2: here and i realized that okay this is my"
"1856.88: permanent note so i go certain"
"1861.44: analog systems right"
"1868.64: yeah that's the right one right and then"
"1871.76: i realized that"
"1873.2: the permanent node is actually not the"
"1874.64: parent level block"
"1877.039: when you look at the when you look at"
"1878.88: the structure"
"1880.96: of this i'm going to close this all down"
"1882.64: just so you can see it here"
"1884.399: the permanent node is actually not the"
"1885.84: parent level block there's actually a"
"1887.12: block above it and this is actually"
"1889.44: important to realize that the very top"
"1891.2: level is not is the most important this"
"1893.039: is actually where the conversation"
"1894.24: happens"
"1894.72: it's actually the relevant notes"
"1897.84: so underneath relevant notes you have a"
"1899.6: child block permanent notes"
"1901.36: underneath permanent notes you have"
"1902.559: three children block"
"1904.399: reference literature and fleeting notes"
"1906: right and so here i look at i look at"
"1908.559: analog solutions this is my sort of"
"1910.72: index right i go in here and i write"
"1914.559: analog solutions"
"1918: and then what i do is this i'm gonna go"
"1920.24: ahead and expand all my permanent notes"
"1921.919: out"
"1923.039: and you'll notice that these indexes"
"1924.559: here right they're on every before every"
"1926.799: permanent note this is because"
"1928.559: the block is where the granularity"
"1930.559: happens so"
"1931.76: i can have more than one piece of"
"1933.2: information here if"
"1935.2: i alt click or option click this and"
"1937.12: drag this over here"
"1938.48: what i've done now is i've connected"
"1940.08: this idea of a permanent note"
"1943.519: with this actual permanent node that's"
"1945.76: already in the zettle casting"
"1947.279: it's going to start making sense here in"
"1948.48: a minute so what i do is i don't even"
"1950.72: i don't it's i want a frictionless way"
"1952.88: of connecting nodes"
"1954.559: and different conversations right lumen"
"1956.64: wanted to have his notes connected"
"1958.48: at the furthest possible places the"
"1960.64: furthest conversations away"
"1962: from each other right i'm at the very"
"1963.919: top this is dealing with"
"1965.6: overall objective for acting but if i"
"1967.519: could still relate this to analog"
"1969.2: solutions"
"1970.24: i'm looking at the index and i'm going"
"1972.32: attraction to analog solutions so that's"
"1974.159: interesting maybe i could stumble upon"
"1975.6: that later"
"1976.64: right and what i do is i start having"
"1978.88: this list"
"1980.72: which i'm going to paste this is what i"
"1983.36: do"
"1984: already done all the work now i have a"
"1987.279: list of all of these"
"1988.96: sort of permanent notes from the settle"
"1991.6: casting itself"
"1992.72: but they're just block referencing the"
"1994.399: index and the permanent node"
"1996.08: they're just block referencing this"
"1997.76: block if that makes sense"
"2000.08: why why are you doing it like that"
"2002.64: versus"
"2003.6: doing it like page references i'm so"
"2006.399: glad you asked"
"2008.08: great"
"2012.799: you have this structure here yeah right"
"2015.76: and it's all collapsible"
"2017.6: it's literally if i go to my daily notes"
"2019.279: here right it's just a"
"2020.96: time stamp that's what's showing if i"
"2023.2: expand it"
"2024.24: there's complexity and complexity and"
"2026.32: complexity with multiple levels of"
"2027.84: abstraction right"
"2030: this is what's interesting right so i go"
"2032.559: to"
"2034.32: journey right and it's like let's go"
"2036.799: find where journey is"
"2039.76: let's go overall objective let's find"
"2042.24: where journey is where's journey let's"
"2043.84: find journey this right here"
"2047.12: is where i sort of block referenced it"
"2049.599: into my relevant notes here right"
"2051.76: if i look up here it's under character"
"2053.679: completely irrelevant with"
"2056.079: zettle casting because i i placed this"
"2058.8: this note here"
"2060.159: under zettle cast in physical"
"2062.56: limitations analog solutions that's the"
"2064.56: sort of conversation that's happening"
"2066: right now"
"2066.8: right and so on a completely different"
"2068.72: thread of conversation"
"2071.52: i have journey now i need to sort of"
"2074.879: expand this out a little bit just so you"
"2076.32: can"
"2076.56: see this okay so i'm going to zoom out"
"2079.599: let me just i don't know what the hell"
"2081.04: is going on let me go actual size"
"2083.2: sorry whoa crazy"
"2086.96: crazy okay so i know it's sort of messy"
"2089.839: here right there's a lot of things going"
"2091.599: on"
"2091.919: but you have to sort of see it at this"
"2093.119: level because this is the level that"
"2094.24: you're gonna work from"
"2095.76: the reason that i block reference this"
"2097.44: block basically all the permanent notes"
"2100.64: in my perm settle casting have the index"
"2103.92: in front of the permanent node itself"
"2107.44: and then when i go to journey"
"2111.52: let's go to character character it goes"
"2115.76: i have a little css here too by the way"
"2117.599: it sort of highlights the block so it"
"2119.28: shows you exactly"
"2120.32: the conversation that's going so you go"
"2122.16: character progression"
"2124.4: unexpected journey that makes sense"
"2127.52: right there's a thematic connection when"
"2129.28: you look at the word root word of theme"
"2130.64: it's just"
"2131.28: to put in a position there's a thematic"
"2133.359: connection"
"2134.48: within the zelda cast and that has a"
"2136.16: conversation that's going"
"2138: and then the reason that i block"
"2139.28: references is because what we don't want"
"2141.28: to just connect a bunch of ideas we want"
"2142.8: to output"
"2144.079: right and so if i go click on this"
"2145.839: reference right here"
"2147.119: inline references what happens it opens"
"2150.48: up something very interesting"
"2152.8: right with one click i have"
"2155.92: information here right i have"
"2159.119: information here that's all the all the"
"2161.28: different permanent notes that are"
"2162.48: connected to this"
"2164: permanent note journey when a"
"2165.52: character's journey sends them into the"
"2166.64: chaos of the frontier"
"2167.839: right and then i look at the indexes and"
"2169.839: i go journey avoidance"
"2172.56: journey meaning journey position journey"
"2174.72: destiny journey realization journey"
"2176.64: women journey chaos"
"2178.24: journey analog solutions that's"
"2179.92: interesting so"
"2182.16: looking at the css sprinkles that i have"
"2184.24: i kind of made it look like a button and"
"2185.68: i did"
"2186: that on purpose because i'm in the"
"2187.839: inline references here i open this again"
"2190.079: if i click on this one button"
"2193.119: let's scroll down here what i have is i"
"2195.119: have all the different relevant nodes"
"2196.48: that are connected to it"
"2197.52: i have the actual permanent note there i"
"2199.599: have the reference note with all the"
"2201.119: metadata i have all the literature notes"
"2203.119: with the multiple levels of abstraction"
"2206: let me do again although all the"
"2207.28: fleeting notes with multiple levels of"
"2208.72: abstraction"
"2210.16: so basically with one click i'm"
"2213.44: i'm able to see all the information that"
"2216.56: i've actually"
"2217.52: put into creating these ideas and"
"2220.8: thoughts"
"2221.599: and so if i close this bullet point the"
"2223.52: simplicity is this all hidden behind"
"2224.96: that one note"
"2226: what if i go into this note over here"
"2228.32: it's the same thing with one click"
"2230.64: i can look at the literature notes the"
"2232.64: fleeting notes the the permanent notes"
"2234.4: and all the relevant notes"
"2235.76: but the beauty of this is this let me"
"2237.68: come back to let me go to my"
"2238.88: daily notes page here yeah wait so let"
"2241.28: me um"
"2242: can can you go back to where you just"
"2243.92: were actually if you don't mind"
"2246.16: um where where you were showing the"
"2248.56: inline block references"
"2251.04: um that you're seeing um because i just"
"2254.32: want to point"
"2255.359: out a general principle that i think is"
"2258.8: really cool"
"2260.8: and i think that people can learn from"
"2264.24: so there's this idea of exploratory"
"2267.359: search like how do we find things when"
"2270.48: we"
"2270.88: don't know quite where to find them you"
"2273.839: know and we don't know"
"2275.119: exactly what we're looking for but we've"
"2277.359: got a pretty good feeling that we're"
"2278.8: like"
"2279.119: looking for something you know"
"2282.48: and so one of the ways that you can do"
"2285.04: that"
"2285.68: is through following ascent right like"
"2288.8: if"
"2289.2: the scent is far away then presumably"
"2293.599: as you approach towards it the scent"
"2295.92: gets stronger"
"2297.359: you know and so so what i'm seeing here"
"2299.599: with uh what you had with the inline"
"2301.68: block references"
"2303.44: is it was essentially a bunch"
"2306.88: of a bunch of very"
"2310.4: high level headlines that would let you"
"2313.44: that would give you some clue as to"
"2315.76: whether it's worth exploring more"
"2317.92: and then if that one's worth exploring"
"2319.599: more then it's really easy to just"
"2321.92: click on that expand it again explore"
"2324.4: more"
"2324.96: you know so like you're progressively"
"2326.88: unveiling more information and following"
"2329.52: sense wherever they take you yes"
"2332.64: and it's also realizing that the"
"2335.28: simplicity of"
"2336.64: having access to all the information"
"2339.44: that actually"
"2342.079: shows you how you got to that"
"2343.92: crystallized thought"
"2345.599: mm-hmm can i show you what what i mean"
"2347.76: say you have a scent say you have a"
"2349.119: scent and you're like you know what"
"2350.56: let's let's follow down let's follow"
"2353.119: down zettelkasten"
"2354.48: and let's see where that leads us right"
"2356.88: say i want to make an outline for a"
"2358.24: threadopalusa"
"2359.44: right and my outline the topic is going"
"2361.68: to be what the is the zettlecaster"
"2363.839: right and i'm like well let's start"
"2365.68: let's start with this"
"2366.96: so i'm going to go ahead and start"
"2369.92: bringing ideas in"
"2371.839: right and then i'm going to open up the"
"2373.68: references here and i'm going to go well"
"2375.52: let's see"
"2376.32: let's do vision right vision of a zelda"
"2380: cast and then i look here i go oh this"
"2381.599: is a great permanent note"
"2383.2: or this is just a great idea and what"
"2385.119: i'm doing is all i'm doing is on"
"2386.64: option click option dragging the"
"2389.28: different ideas but"
"2390.24: it doesn't stop there because i just"
"2391.839: opened up this entire"
"2393.359: block right that has all the information"
"2396.24: that led me to that"
"2397.44: so i can look back at my literature"
"2399.599: notes that i wrote"
"2400.64: i can add that to the outline this is"
"2403.44: all about output i don't want to just"
"2404.8: have something just"
"2405.76: as an archive i want output and then i"
"2407.599: go in here i can go to my fleeting notes"
"2409.359: that i've abstracted"
"2410.56: i can draw that in right and then i go"
"2413.52: okay that's that's great let's go down"
"2415.359: to"
"2416.48: the next idea let's just call this"
"2418.079: number two right and the next idea is"
"2420.24: going to be"
"2421.2: let's let's go vision let's go to"
"2423.68: physical limitations"
"2426.4: i go down and i'm like you know you know"
"2428: what this is cool let's let's"
"2429.52: let's bring in the source here let's"
"2432.72: bring in"
"2433.52: this first literature note that i wrote"
"2435.52: here it's not the literature note itself"
"2437.599: it's just an abstraction that i had"
"2439.839: or it didn't work it's just an"
"2442.48: abstraction that i had"
"2443.44: and then i could start building out this"
"2444.88: outline right and then i can also pull"
"2447.52: from even just"
"2448.48: simple fleeting note ideas that i had so"
"2450.88: you were talking about well"
"2452.16: you know you want to be able to block"
"2453.359: reference these fleeting nodes but you"
"2454.96: can"
"2455.68: but you're going to have context in"
"2457.119: which that fleeting note"
"2458.8: led to the permanent note and it shows"
"2460.8: you in context of where it comes from"
"2462.56: and then all i do is just keep going"
"2463.839: down"
"2464.56: and then say say i keep going down and i"
"2467.04: i can basically write"
"2468.64: the entire article just by looking at"
"2470.8: the inline references by pulling even"
"2472.96: the relevant notes everything is sort of"
"2475.599: draggable"
"2476.4: and i'm dragging everything over and"
"2478.48: it's like oh this is a great idea too"
"2481.04: i'll bring that over and i can"
"2484.16: get granular i can get just the just"
"2487.2: the fleeting note that sort of sparked"
"2488.8: this entire idea"
"2490.319: and so the whole idea is i can get to"
"2492.16: that point where i'm not focusing on"
"2494.96: collecting i'm focusing on"
"2496.4: how can i retrieve this information in a"
"2499.44: simple way utilizing the technology"
"2501.76: that's available"
"2503.359: i understand that there's other"
"2504.72: note-taking tools out there but"
"2506.48: it's the simplicity of this because then"
"2508: i can go to the next phase and i go"
"2509.68: you know what i've i've hammered all the"
"2511.92: way everything out of zettlecast in here"
"2514.64: right let me scroll back up here now i'm"
"2517.04: going to close this inline reference"
"2518.24: then i go to the next one and i go to"
"2520.24: okay faces doesn't have any linked"
"2521.599: references yet okay let's go to"
"2523.28: dialog and i click on this one and i go"
"2525.44: oh autonomous dialogue what does that"
"2527.119: mean"
"2528.079: and i go in here and i start pulling in"
"2532.079: and i can pull in any of the information"
"2534.24: that i've already done"
"2535.44: i don't need to click into another page"
"2537.119: everything is all represented there and"
"2539.119: it's all because of how it's nested"
"2541.68: and if i if i've done my work then what"
"2544.16: happens is i can pull"
"2545.599: from all these the work doesn't go to"
"2549.359: waste is what i'm getting at"
"2550.72: because the literature abstractions that"
"2552.079: i do can be used the fleeting node"
"2553.68: objections that i used can be used"
"2555.52: but then i also have the position of"
"2558.079: where this was created so even if i"
"2559.76: click"
"2560.079: on this permanent node here it's"
"2562: interesting because it'll also show me"
"2563.28: the date"
"2564.24: of that of the play time and place that"
"2566.24: it was created so"
"2567.359: now i have not just context in regards"
"2569.44: to fleeting literature and permanent"
"2570.96: notes but i have context to what was"
"2572.8: going on that day"
"2574.24: maybe my best friend passed away let me"
"2576.56: click onto that let me see the journal"
"2578: entries from there and then it also"
"2579.599: shows me in"
"2581.04: context of where it's actually located"
"2583.28: in my permanent notes page and i go"
"2585.28: zettlecast and dialog autonomous cool"
"2588.079: and i can just go in here and i can keep"
"2589.76: going"
"2590.8: and so basically i can pull all the"
"2592.72: information together"
"2594: and the purpose of all of this by the"
"2595.44: way i've done enough coaching sessions"
"2597.2: i i so i've done 40 coaching sessions"
"2600.4: right and i'm 40 for 40 here"
"2602.56: right i'm batting a thousand in regards"
"2604.24: to showing people"
"2606.16: a little bit more granularity than this"
"2607.92: sort of room tour but"
"2609.2: to be able to get to that aha moment of"
"2611.04: like finally there's a way"
"2613.44: to use the information that i'm"
"2615.599: consuming"
"2617.28: you know and it's how it's structured"
"2620.72: allows for that and it's you know i can"
"2623.599: pull in these"
"2624.48: different ideas that it's the work that"
"2627.2: i did"
"2627.92: and then the work doesn't go to waste"
"2629.599: and it's simple with one click i have"
"2631.839: all that information"
"2634.079: with one click and then if i need to"
"2635.839: close it i can close it"
"2637.92: and so this is really the power of not"
"2640.56: necessarily a settle casting the zeno"
"2642.319: casting has been around since the 50s"
"2644.319: it's the power that the this practical"
"2647.68: note"
"2648.16: taking system called zettle casting"
"2650.16: finally"
"2651.28: the technology caught up yeah because"
"2654.319: the granularity of"
"2655.44: rome happens at the block level because"
"2657.44: it's built on closure"
"2659.52: it doesn't happen at the page level it's"
"2661.119: not a markdown file"
"2662.72: even if it has even to have even if it"
"2664.88: has bi-directional linking"
"2666.24: the power is in the blocks and the"
"2668.64: granularity of the blocks"
"2671.44: you know and and it's you know i i"
"2675.119: urge people to get in contact with me i"
"2678.8: want to know how i can break it"
"2681.04: because at this point it's unbreakable"
"2684: i've had some k"
"2685.92: i've had i've had 40 coaching sessions"
"2688: i've had matt mckinley i have"
"2689.52: i've had andy henson brent you know what"
"2691.359: i mean it's like it's"
"2692.8: unbreakable and it's it's and i think"
"2696.24: it's"
"2697.839: it's a convergence that's happened and"
"2700.48: if we ask a different question it's not"
"2702.079: about"
"2702.56: how can i create a zettle casted in rome"
"2704.96: no the question is"
"2706.319: how can i create a zettle cast in"
"2710.48: maximizing the technology that rome"
"2712.56: offers"
"2714.56: and by asking that different question i"
"2716.24: got a different answer"
"2718.16: and it's placing things granularly at"
"2720.16: the block level in order so i can use it"
"2722.8: though"
"2723.28: i don't want to just have a bunch of"
"2724.48: notes i want to be able to use it so i"
"2726.56: can go through this outline here that i"
"2727.92: made earlier"
"2728.72: and i've already got my thread of"
"2729.839: palooza ready to go"
"2732: all i did was just drag things in this"
"2734.319: took me 15 minutes"
"2736.48: but let me take a look at my permanent"
"2738.72: notes here"
"2739.839: so i've got two different zettle"
"2741.359: capacitors i've got a permanent note"
"2742.64: here so this one i have"
"2744.4: well let me let me uh 129."
"2748.16: okay and so basically if every settle"
"2751.599: takes"
"2752.88: 15 to 45 minutes average i'm going to"
"2754.88: say averaging 16 minutes right"
"2757.359: i've put in 36 hours worth of work"
"2761.359: so when it comes down to actually sort"
"2763.52: of getting to this point"
"2764.72: where i'm outlining the reason it takes"
"2766.64: 15 minutes because i already did all the"
"2768.079: work"
"2772: and that's what it's about that's what's"
"2774: this is why i wanted to jump on a road"
"2775.68: tour with you because i"
"2776.56: wanted to sort of show people that if"
"2778.48: you use this as a tool"
"2780.64: you can finally solve that problem of i"
"2784.319: read"
"2784.64: 25 books in this last year but i don't"
"2787.28: remember any of it"
"2788.8: i don't know how to use it and that's"
"2790.88: the biggest thing that i realized and it"
"2792.4: was just like"
"2793.92: people need to understand that you can"
"2795.359: actually use this"
"2797.119: tool as a verb you know"
"2800.48: not just a collection not just an"
"2801.92: archive but"
"2803.76: yeah so that's so i want to"
"2807.119: point out i i just want to point out a"
"2809.92: few things so one"
"2811.839: is um someone"
"2815.68: really cool uh i think that you have"
"2819.119: shown"
"2820.24: you've shown a way of using rome that's"
"2823.04: very"
"2823.76: uh distinct from mine you know"
"2826.8: and it's also a different sort of settle"
"2828.64: casting than we saw on a previous tour"
"2830.8: with joel chan um just different ways of"
"2834.24: doing things"
"2835.28: you know and basically like the the main"
"2838.319: difference that i'm seeing"
"2839.68: with my style versus your style is that"
"2843.52: your style is very um"
"2846.96: very block reference heavy whereas mine"
"2849.2: is very page reference heavy"
"2851.599: you know and so what that gives you"
"2854.16: though"
"2854.96: um because you have this block graph"
"2857.68: heavy"
"2858.16: style and you have a consistent format"
"2861.2: that you use um then that makes it"
"2864.319: uh that's very well done with the"
"2865.92: indentation what that does"
"2868: is that makes it so you have a"
"2871.2: navigation heavy uh database"
"2874.96: you know like it's very easy for you to"
"2877.44: click from one to"
"2878.72: multiple places um you know and like"
"2882.48: it it's as though you're walking through"
"2885.359: a space"
"2886.559: you know um where i think the main"
"2889.44: difference"
"2890.48: uh with my style um or i wouldn't even"
"2893.76: say it's different"
"2894.559: because i i don't know like everyone"
"2896.64: does references and stuff but or you"
"2898.64: want to"
"2899.04: up in here yeah can i just add one thing"
"2902.079: if i could sort of crystallize what that"
"2904.48: looks like"
"2905.52: is it's providing a gps"
"2908.559: of where you're always located in your"
"2910.4: zettle casting"
"2911.76: which is important because once these"
"2913.28: notes start accumulating you always want"
"2914.8: to know"
"2915.52: where you are and also where you are"
"2918.079: contextually"
"2919.52: yeah so that was the sort of main focus"
"2921.52: because i don't want to just have a"
"2922.88: bunch of notes that are connected"
"2924.4: i want to know where did that note come"
"2926.079: from where's the context of that coming"
"2927.92: from"
"2929.04: and to always have that in every place"
"2931.2: that i jump to every door that i go down"
"2933.68: i need to know contextually where that"
"2935.599: idea is coming from"
"2937.359: or where i am going to go next"
"2939.52: contextually"
"2941.119: so yeah yeah"
"2944.559: it's it's interesting because"
"2950.079: it also allows for two different levels"
"2951.92: of clustering as well"
"2953.359: yeah traditional traditional clustering"
"2955.359: happens at this sort of"
"2956.64: the nesting level right but"
"2960.559: you'll also notice the inline references"
"2962.48: will start clustering as well"
"2964.72: some of them will have two some will"
"2967.28: have three"
"2967.92: some of them will have 21. and then i"
"2970.559: look at it and i go"
"2972.64: oh no why because i'm focused on"
"2975.04: story"
"2976.88: this is why i have 21 clusters here in"
"2979.92: regards to relevant nodes"
"2982.96: and it's it's really just this idea of"
"2984.96: if i want to write something"
"2987.599: all i need to do is have with one click"
"2989.52: open this up and see the context of"
"2991.839: everything in there yeah and then keep"
"2994.72: going down that list"
"2996.48: and it's it's just the blocks"
"3000.72: the power of the blocks yeah"
"3004.559: and again i want to say that like you've"
"3006.88: you've shown the power of the blocks in"
"3008.4: a way that i've never"
"3009.44: seen before you know like in in my room"
"3011.76: tours it's"
"3013.04: honestly it's pretty rare that i see"
"3014.88: something that uh"
"3016.88: i've never seen before or never tried"
"3018.96: really before"
"3020.319: um you know and and"
"3023.68: it's usually like differences of"
"3026.48: imagination"
"3027.52: versus differences of ways of using i"
"3030.559: guess"
"3031.04: but but you know so like it's like what"
"3033.119: i'm asking is"
"3034.24: if we're going at this question of okay"
"3036.64: how do we use the tools of rome"
"3038.72: to make the best settle cast impossible"
"3041.92: you know i think that that that actually"
"3045.68: raises a really"
"3046.8: like a question that i want to ask you"
"3048.96: here which"
"3050.16: is what do you think"
"3053.599: are the aside from the technical"
"3056.68: implementation that people use within"
"3059.92: rome"
"3060.559: to achieve the goals of a settle cast"
"3063.52: and like what do you think"
"3065.04: uh just like what do you think the goals"
"3068.48: are of a settle cast and what are the"
"3070.72: main principles that someone could"
"3072.64: follow"
"3073.52: within rome in order to do that like"
"3077.119: ignoring all technical implementation"
"3079.44: like what are the principles what are"
"3080.96: the goals"
"3084.8: the first thing to remember that you"
"3086.96: have to know what you want"
"3089.52: right you have to have a target you have"
"3090.8: to have a name you have to know like"
"3092.24: okay this is what i want"
"3093.599: you know i want to create this dialogue"
"3095.52: partner i want to have this conversation"
"3096.88: partner"
"3098.16: but after that it's you have to know why"
"3100.8: you want it"
"3102.24: because this takes time"
"3105.359: and you and there's this gap it's just"
"3107.359: like with anything that you want to make"
"3109.28: a habit there's the place that you're"
"3110.88: starting from and it's what you want"
"3112.8: and the whole idea is how can we bridge"
"3114.559: this gap it's like you"
"3116.4: how do you lose 10 pounds you know it's"
"3118.8: like new year's resolutions but what"
"3120.319: happens in february everyone's back"
"3122.319: you know what i mean no one's not"
"3123.52: everyone stops going to the gym everyone"
"3125.2: knows"
"3125.76: how to do it and i'm saying no put out"
"3128.319: to the side"
"3129.359: let's figure out what we want first"
"3130.88: let's have a target let's have an aim"
"3132.64: let's have a norton a guiding star then"
"3135.76: we figure out the emotional connection"
"3137.76: on"
"3138: why we want it because that'll sort of"
"3140.48: allow us to sort of"
"3141.68: get over these obstacles right because"
"3144.48: what's going to happen is this"
"3147.28: you're about to take a fleeting note and"
"3149.04: you're like ding twitter"
"3150.8: crap let me look at this or you're about"
"3154: to go into literature notes and you're"
"3155.119: like oh i got a new email let me check"
"3156.559: this real quick"


"3200.4: yeah and if you could structure this in"
"3202.4: a way where"
"3204.4: you can actually focus like it's not"
"3207.2: about collecting"
"3208.079: 200 000 fleeting notes it's not about"
"3210.72: collecting everything that we can"
"3212.88: because what happens it becomes a a"
"3215.119: graveyard"
"3216: that's the worst feeling like i'm"
"3217.44: listening to some of these people"
"3218.319: they're like oh my god i'm like"
"3220: so many years old and then they have"
"3221.92: nothing to show for it"
"3224.319: you know and i go i don't want that"
"3227.92: i don't want that for anybody you know"
"3230.16: i'm dealing with something right now"
"3231.359: where it's like i saw"
"3232.319: like one of my best friend passed away"
"3233.839: and it's like what does he have to show"
"3235.92: for it"
"3237.359: you know and i'd hate to be 70 80 years"
"3239.92: old on my deathbed going"
"3241.68:  i read 2 000 books"
"3244.88: in the last 40 years but i don't i don't"
"3248.079: there's no use for it there's no archive"
"3251.04: there's no"
"3251.52: sort of artifact from it there's no use"
"3255.2: from it yeah it connected yeah it"
"3256.64: resonated with me but i don't remember"
"3258.16: any of it"
"3259.04: and so for me it was what a zettel"
"3261.359: casting is"
"3264.72: is a way to utilize the information that"
"3268.64: we're taking"
"3269.839: in 2020 and beyond"
"3273.68: because we're so inundated with"
"3275.52: consumption this addiction to"
"3277.119: consumption it's the same thing like"
"3278.72: if i see a 500 pound uh person on the"
"3282: subway"
"3282.88: i don't i don't look at them and judge"
"3284.64: them no i have compassion towards them"
"3286.72: and it's the same thing when i see"
"3288: people go give me give me give me give"
"3289.52: me"
"3289.76: more more information i just want to"
"3292.079: know everything"
"3294: and then they're not really digesting it"
"3296: they're not slowing it down and going"
"3297.68: what does this really mean in my own"
"3299.44: words"
"3300.88: and the xenocastin has these points"
"3303.68: where"
"3304.24: it's like a litmus test to go what does"
"3306.559: this really mean"
"3308.24: what does this really mean let me think"
"3309.76: about this what is the author really"
"3312: saying"
"3312.64: what is resonating with me here and then"
"3315.76: how can i crystallize this into a"
"3317.52: thought how can i continue a"
"3319.2: conversation"
"3320: how can i stumble upon this at a later"
"3321.92: time and to me"
"3323.44: it's like dude if i if"
"3327.04: if"
"3330.079: some k released his book in 2017 rome"
"3332.88: research"
"3333.52: really dropped out of beta i mean maybe"
"3336.559: no judgement but they were open to the"
"3338.88: public and started taking money in"
"3340.96: what six months right and it's just like"
"3345.44: this is all very new yeah maybe i'm"
"3348.319: wrong maybe i'm completely wrong i have"
"3350.16: to start from scratch"
"3352: right i don't care because i know that"
"3354.96: it's"
"3355.28: powerful because even with even if it is"
"3358.64: completely wrong it's like the 40 people"
"3362.799: that have been able to walk through it"
"3365.92: when they get that aha moment of like"
"3367.839: wow"
"3369.04: there's a way to slow things down"
"3373.28: there's a way to actually think about"
"3376.24: what i'm thinking"
"3378.16: and to have like original ideas and then"
"3380.88: to connect this"
"3382: with other ideas that i have and to"
"3384.4: actually see my knowledge"
"3386.079: growing like see it"
"3389.119: there and because"
"3392.16: every note is written in my own words"
"3394.16: and because it's backed by evidence"
"3396.4: what happens is i like spending time"
"3400.079: with this this is more important than"
"3402.559: twitter threads this is more important"
"3404.4: than reading 200 books"
"3406.48: no let me find that one article let me"
"3409.28: bring out"
"3409.92: everything i can out of it let me"
"3412.559: abstract everything"
"3414.559: it'll take me two three days to read a"
"3416.96: eight page pdf"
"3420.079: because i'll make eight or ten fleeting"
"3421.839: notes but then what i'll do"
"3424.319: once i have the fleeting notes then i'll"
"3425.68: go back and process them at"
"3427.599: either that night or the following day"
"3430.24: or a couple days after"
"3432.24: i'll abstract out the fleeting notes"
"3434.079: i'll extract out the literature notes"
"3436: and then i'll add it to my permanent"
"3437.839: note taking anywhere between 15 to 45"
"3440.4: minutes"
"3442.319: and then it's like there's it's useful"
"3445.68: and then i can see it and there's like"
"3448.48: it's this"
"3449.599: feedback where it's like wow i can"
"3452.64: see my thoughts i can see what i'm"
"3454.88: interested in"
"3456: that's the thing that blows my mind and"
"3458.319: then not only can you trace it back"
"3460.88: you can with one click see everything"
"3464.319: there"
"3466: i mean that to me i i don't know i i you"
"3468.96: know"
"3469.92: i know what it is it's it's it's"
"3472.839: fascinating i"
"3474.24: i i just want to thank you for putting"
"3477.28: forth"
"3478.16: a very creative um"
"3481.28: and innovative approach to a zettle"
"3484.64: casting"
"3485.599: you know in rome um and"
"3488.64: like like you said i'm just so excited"
"3490.72: to see the ways that these"
"3492.799: conversations are developing like i"
"3495.04: don't think"
"3496: um you know in the early days of rome i"
"3498.24: think a lot of people weren't really"
"3499.44: using block references quite as much"
"3502: um they've definitely gained a lot of"
"3503.76: utility uh since"
"3505.92: since the early days and you've shown"
"3508.079: just like um"
"3510: in entirely different sets of use cases"
"3512.88: i guess"
"3513.68: you know like uh that that i think just"
"3516.24: adds"
"3516.72: so much to the conversation um"
"3520.24: and i think that any rome user who"
"3524: uh reaches out to you for coaching"
"3528.079: who works with your system and tries to"
"3531.04: implement as"
"3532.24: a xettle casting like 20 settles um i"
"3535.2: think that they'll"
"3535.92: be better at rome as a result of it"
"3539.359: you know"